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This group chat was conducted via Zoom on Saturday, November 11, 2023 at 9:00 PM EST. My guests include Peter Sereno, Brian Javier, Phil Pugeda, Antonio Rivadeneira, and Hector Joaquin. Ko Phanasa was a no-show.
TIMESTAMPS
0:00 – Rafa and Brian enter the chat room
1:10 – Peter enters the chat room
1:13 – Rafa explains the technical snafu
2:09 – Peter comments that Khun Anne and designer Michael Cinco look alike
3:06 – Rafa explains why some of the guests will be late
Rafa wants his original gang back
3:54 – Hector enters the chat room with a cat avatar lol
4:23 – Rafa reads viewer’s comment on Brian’s braids
4:40 – Peter changes to a panda avatar. Rafa now wants to change to an avatar
6:12 – Rafa asks when was the last time the original gang was together
7:25 – Phil enters the chat room
8:00 – Rafa asks if everyone already had dinner
9:20 – Rafa reads viewers comments
10:22 – This will be Khun Anne’s first production under her terms; does she have a creative vision? Is Tawn C. have any say in the production?
11:13 – Rafa asks if anyone has seen his IG story of a photo of Ivan Gunawan (MG Indonesia director) and Tawn C. (MU creative director) wearing shorts and he asks who looks better?
Rafa says that Paula Shugart is one of the co-producers this year.
12:09 – Did you see a sneak peek of the stage?
12:58 – Rafa reads viewers comments about Brian, Peter, Phil, Rafa, Edwin.
14:50 – Rafa reads a comment from Reina Watson whose son Alvaro passed away last year. Rafa and Alvaro were good Facebook friends.
16:23 – Antonio enters the chat room
16:50 – What do we think of an all-female hosts? Brian criticizes the idea of inclusion. Most of us agree with him.
23:12 – Rafa posted a meme “La corona de diversidad” on his IG account that reflects diversity this year, but leaves out the two transgender contestants
25:00 – Brian – MU has lost its identity
26:35 – Rafa thinks inclusion could be harmful. He said that he has his own specific vision of a pageant. He mentions why MGI is now more popular than MU. Brian agrees. Antonio says that we have to be fair and MU is an American organization.
30:05 – Rafa mentions Khun Anne with the new Mexican owner of MU franchise; Rafa asks the viewers if this is true
30:48 – Peter says we are not bashing MU; Rafa mentions the changes of MU through the years. Peter thinks MU is going down like Miss Australia.
34:12 – Brian mentions MGI and says that MU should have listened to MGI
35:03 – Rafa mentions his past experience with MUO
36:05 – A Mexican mogul allegedly is the co-owner of MUO
36:40 – Rafa suggests to his guests that they should all go to Mexico if the pageant is held there next year
37:37 – the venue Jose Adolfo Pineda Arena
38:50 – this is the first year MU is accepting married women, two transgender women, a plus-size woman (though this is not the first time such body type has competed)
41:00 – Jane Garrett MU Nepal’s bad attitude; Brian explodes lol. He says there are many videos of Nepal showing bad attitude. Rafa says always have to be your best in public during the entire pageant. Peter defends Nepal. Rafa doesn’t think Nepal is a good representation of a plus-size woman.
50:15 Rafa says once you enter your room, you can do whatever you want
51:10 – Rafa reads a comment from a viewer who says that Rafa wants to be the director of MG Philippines lol
51:50 – 85 contestants; Pakistan debuts. Several countries withdrew and some returned.
54:04 – Brian compares the 2022 and 2023 girls
54:40 – The sashes
55:35 The advocacies – are they really important?
Will the winner of Voice for Change advance to the top 20? Singapore’s human trafficking advocacy for which she was bashed. Most panelists don’t care about advocacies.
1:03:20 – Rafa reads viewers comments
1:04:05 – Rafa congratulates Missosology for reaching 3 million followers. What happened to the Missosology forum? Brian says it was thru Misso that he developed his passion for pageants.
1:07:36 – Can Phil explain Misso’s recent hot picks without Philippines? Brian enlightens us. It’s all about the power of social media.
1:09:10 – The Internet voting is back
1:09:32 – JKN Global’s bankruptcy (as opposed to “business rehabilitation” which Khun Anne prefers to use). Rafa asks what is the difference between the two terms. Phil says Khun Anne did the wrong decision to buy MUO. Rafa comments. A viewer explains what bankruptcy and business rehab is all about.
1:15:46 – Australia’s parents owe $45 million to creditors; Peter explains. Rafa asks Peter if Australia bought her crown?
1:19:33 – Rafa reads viewers comments. Did anyone buy any of MUO’s projects like bottled water or tote bag?
1:22:00 – Imagine if Thailand does not win this year.
1:23:07 – What is going to happen to Lupita Jones?
Brian hates her. lol Rafa says several directors left MUO because they don’t share MUO’s new vision
1:26:20 – Rafa asks Brian if he applied to be the director for MU US Virgin Islands
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1:26:56 – Rafa asks how Josh Yugen was able to crown his winners from Bahran and Pakistan outside their countries
1:27:37 – Hector returns to the chat room
1:27:49 – Latvia's nude photos – Rafa says they go against the MU clause that forbids applicants who have posed nude. Hector says MU is not important anymore
1:31:15 – Does Hector own Global Beauties?
Rafa jokes that Hector has never owned anything in his life. Hector goes ballistic! lol
1:32:33 – Hector comments on Nepal; Peter agrees with him. Nepal is playing a game. But she will only be remembered for her bad image.
1:34:19 – Rafa shows off his dog Willow
1:37:50 – Hector cites Vanessa Goncalves, Miss Venezuela 2011, who was asked by a chaperone to take a pregnancy test
1:39:50 – Hector likes the host country, stage, activities. But one thing he hates about this year's pageant is… Magali Febles.
He likes Nayib Bukele, the president of El Salvador.
1:43:04 – Are they going to pick a winner who speaks Spanish? Brian says not to believe rumours.
1:43:30 – How do you rate the activities so far? The girls were split into groups
1:45:29 – Milena Mayorga, MU Salvador 1996; Rafa should invite Milena or Carmen Figueroa (1975) and Anne Pohtamo (MU 1975) as judges
1:46:39 – Video of USA being told to carry the Venezuelan flag
Brian and Hector comment on the media vs. fans and how they behave while covering pageants
1:49:22 – Rafa comments on MUO old public relations which was good; now everything is chaotic. Brian thinks these days it's all about likes and views, making quick money (badges, super chats, etc.) Hector said he never asked money to cover a pageant.
1:52:07 – Hector reads a message from a fan to Brian
1:53:02 – Rafa asks viewers to buy super chats lol
1:53:24 – Rumour that Nadia Ferreira will judge this year
1:53:51 – The official swimsuit
1:54:40 – MUBA cosmetics; Rafa shows photos of MU contestants that look like drag queens
1:57:54 – Hector says that Miss Dom Rep has a fever
1:58:31 – Brian cites a video of South Africa and Thailand where SA tells Thailand "Stop lyin'" as reaction to Thailand's "The good tastes great!"
2:00:10 – Viewer asks: Is the reason why the candidates don't look good is because they are older now? Rafa comments on the two transgender contestants.
2:01:36 – Why are the Indonesian fans not making too much noise this year? And why there were only five people who saw Vietnam in her send-off? Vietnam was a bully.
2:03:36 – Rumour that Osmel Sousa will return to being the director of Venezuela again
2:04:18 – Rafa asks Hector what his job is lol
2:07:05 Peter reads a comment that Antonio is cuter when he's all riled up lol
2:07:24 – Hector wants to know what we think about Argentina, Colombia
2:08:51 – Vietnam was a bully; Rafa jokes she's accepted because of inclusion. It's a slippery slope. Where does this inclusion BS end?
2:10:27 – Is MGI the worst pageant in the Philippines? In reference to MJ Lastimosa who asked a guest on her show.
2:11:38 – Antonio asks why Indonesia was absent on stage when she was called best evening gown in Miss International 2023? Hector suggests that we ask Stephen Diaz, the director of MI who is part of Missosology. Rafa asks what happened to Ric Galvez, the founder of Misso.
2:13:24 – What is the format this year? 20-10-5-3-1? No one knows
2:15:04 – Peter had to leave for an appointment. We don't know what happened to Ko.
2:15:55 – Hector's Top 20
2:17:20 – Phil's Top 20
2:18:08 – Antonio's Top 20
2:20:49 – Rafa's Top 20
2:26:54 – Miss France 2024
2:27:00 – Rafa reads viewers comments. Who are the dark horses?
2:29:10 – Antonio asks about Russia; he mentions a clause where the staff can take out a contestant chosen by the judges
2:30:19 – Ukraine is into extraterrestrial intelligence
2:31:26 – Netherlands and Portugal
2:31:53 – You have to purchase virtual tickets for the prelims and national costume shows
2:33:41 – British Virgin Islands
2:34:01 – Wrap-up; the theme of swimsuit is celestial galaxy. Rafa doesn't like the capes.
2:35:16 – Goodbyes
Brian J Nepal made it.😮
Beyond shocked at your assessment that MGI will last. Lol you folks need to
Keep up with the times. It’s not just the USA, but women are a lot more empowered all over the world and we don’t need plastic dolls at MGI who answer performative questions on “world peace” and “stopping war” it’s so shallow. An organization that talks but doesn’t walk the walk. Miss universe is making meaningful changes. I as an Indian fan am in full support of it.
Filipinas
Love this discussion, No filter on your opinions! I want you to do this every year. Great job guys 🙂
Can you do a video of all of Nepal’s faux pas
Brian Javier , nunca gusta de las Reinas Colombianas,si dice que Camila no es bonita ,verdaderamente no entiendo ese hate
I do not like all ladies judges
We do not like Lupita Jones attitude,she thinks she is better and she treated the contestants very bad ,you need to help and give all the best support to your contestants
Pakistán ,also arrive very late on the competition
They should have send Nepal home ,she doesn’t understand what a competition is ,and it’s not fear to the other contestants
I do not believe what Nepal said,when you are in a competition,you have to be ready for the public at all times
There was a plus size from Canada
They should do a peagant for transgender and it will be fabulous,then do another peagant for plus size beautiful woman
Then keep Miss universe for beautiful woman ,not for the ones that bring a sad story and how they struggle and bla ,bla,bla,……..
Olivia Culpo is the worse Host ,I do not understand why ,she puts a bad attitude
My Pre Preliminary Top 5
1.France
2.Philippines
3. Puerto Rico
4.India
5. Nicaragua
Lets goo Indiaaa 🙏🏻🇮🇳🇮🇳❤️🇮🇳🇮🇳🙏🏻
Dee beauty and brain.🇵🇭
Philippines has the most authentic advocacy c'mon!
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Philippines ❤❤❤❤❤